If I understood what Luke was working on with puppet, the program is meant to be a re-engineering of cfengine to be less of an academic testbed and more of stable product. [I might be part of the reason for the fact it is in Ruby.. I suggested it a long time ago when Luke was giving a training course.] What I was wanting from a product was something that could be added into a network management system: what is on the computer, what is connected to the computer (and when), what is the configuration of the computers services (stuff lower than RPMs so that all 2000 desktops have a useless banner, point to the correct email servers, and have the desktop menus with the correct applications set up.), and who is on the computer and when. Where the computer is would be even better :). -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list