2006/3/28, Leszek Matok <Lam@xxxxxx>:
> Dnia 28-03-2006, wto o godzinie 13:46 +0200, Rudolf Kastl napisał(a):
> > Consumers mostly just dont know that they are using worse legacy
> > formats like mp3 when they have superior formats such as ogg
> > available... i think thats a plain educational problem.
> Oh yes they know. It's not a matter of education, but marketing. I'll
> give you an example: I would convert my father to Ogg Vorbis if only his
> brand new DVD player could play it, but it can't.
Well if the consumer would be properly educated hed been looking for a
ogg/flac/theora supporting device and demand from the industry to
provide such means... do you eat everything that goes on the table?
:=) i dont.
So instead he's now
> switching from MP3 to the "overly superior" WMA format which he can play
> everywhere he wants (really). Why oh why doesn't a simple player go with
> oggs? Maybe because there are people paying to tide customers to the new
> proprietary format without giving them an option?
Well if customers are stupid enough to eat whats on the table... they
need more education. Politics and marketing have something in
common... both dont tell ya the truth and both have goals they want to
achieve.
I think as long as "marketing" as it exists today can still be
successful there will be more demand for education of people.
>
> Think about it once again - I can't make my DVD player, nor my portable
> MP3 player, nor my car MP3 player (and so on...) to play Ogg Vorbis. In
> the same time I CAN make my Fedora to play and even encode MP3, WMA and
> other formats.
When i buy hardware i make sure that it does what i want. if it
doesent i wont spend money on it. we can play through the "chicken and
egg" problem over and over.. The only starting point i see is if users
explicitely demand support for superior formats of those embedded
devices you talk about or not buy it at all while letting the industry
know, because then theres a business case... .
> I even HAVE TO use my computer to rip my new CD and
> encode to MP3 in order to load it to my MP3 player. That's one of the
> tasks people use any OS for nowadays. (I don't possess any MP3 player in
> reality, but know many people who do)
Well you can still with livna supplied addon packages but yeah you
cant with plain fedora... its plain forbiddenitems.
>
> Besides, I may be totally wrong, so please don't yell at me, but one of
> the reasons there are so many multimedia players lacking support for
> open formats may be the GPL licensing of decoders.
You can use videolan client just fine on windows. and it comes with
above support plus support for alot other codecs. Non free software is
in my eyes not even worth talking about in that context, but again...
thats just me...
>
> So even if there are good free (speech+beer) formats, encoders and
> decoders, even if I do use Ogg Vorbis and Musepack (I've heard it's free
> now) on my computer, other people simply can't unless other multimedia
> hardware adopts the free formats. Until then many people have no real
> option. You may be lucky, I may be lucky, but others are less lucky and
> there's not much words can do ("education").
Thats what i see completly different... you state above that its a
"marketing issue" you arent completly wrong with that in my eyes...
marketing in this case does nothing but educate the user in a wrong
way though...
Again i see parallels to politics... where the Marketing people (of
the industry) and the Politicians try to tell us that we exist to
"serve them" instead of vice versa most of above mentioned can really
be happy that most people dont know better.
The question there in my eyes is rhetorical: "Who is the customer?" or
rather "Where do you (as producer) get your money from in the end?".
Change does only happen with enough demand... so lets start demanding :)
regards,
Rudolf Kastl
>
> Lam
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