2006/3/28, Rudolf Kastl <che666@xxxxxxxxx>: > 2006/3/25, Dariusz J. Garbowski <thuforuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > > On 03/25/2006 10:59 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le samedi 25 mars 2006 à 10:47 +0000, Dariusz J. Garbowski a écrit : > > > > > >>> If it where that easy, we'd have the latest eclipse version in Fedora > > >>> with all the major plugins instead of the current situation. > > >> Heh, it *is* that easy -- get Sun's Java stack, install, download your > > >> app of choice, install and run! > > > > > > It's not, I'm sorry. You require lots of end-user work to make it > > > anything like work. That's why a stupid app like the logitech remote > > > controler (which has very simple fontionnality) is still not available > > > for linux even if it was written in java to be cross-platform. > > > > There's nothing in the applications themselves to stop working on Linux. > > Work user has to put comes from the fact that distributions tend to make > > user's life more difficult by not making it trivial to have e.g. Sun's > > JRE installed (I don't want to blame distro developers here, Sun is > > probably the most guilty by not allowing to repackage and redistribute > > JRE). Yet situation is IMHO similar to proprietary NVidia drivers: users > > just have it easier thanks to the work of Livna developers (at least on > > Fedora). And, hey!, users still manage to install proprietary nvidia > > drivers from NVidia rather than Livna, with all the hassle it makes! > > Users are not stupid, they are ready and able to do quite a few things > > when they have clear instructions. > > > > Let's say we have "Livna JRE" to install using yum. What's missing to > > make running Java apps trivial is making sure that there is at least a > > simple shell script to run it from command line. Say, user opens up "Run > > Command" dialog and types "jmeter" and it just starts. Of course the > > script would need to line on $PATH. Other "use case" is user opens up > > application's directory and double clicks the script. Application > > starts. Many applications already do provide it: NetBeans, Eclipse, > > JMeter... > > > > Then a step further is packaging applications for distro, like each > > other native application. > > > > > > > For a developper java is easy. As soon as you need an average end-user > > > to make it work and are paying the support costs it suddenly is no > > > longer anywhere near a good choice. > > > > Nothing to do with Java applications, it's all about packaging. If your > > application is packaged for Linux, it will be easy to run! Vice versa it > > can be difficult for Windows if it's not packaged for Windows. Where's > > Java fault here? > > > > > > > And I'm not even talking about the differences between jvm behaviour (if > > > you think you can go sun-only just compare the arches sun, ibm and bea > > > support) > > > > You asked about *easy* way -- the easiest, least troublesome is to use > > Sun's JRE. You are free to try other solutions too. You have this > > freedom. It's good. Don't want problems? Try Sun first. If you really > > need to run on more exotic hardware, you are likely to hit other issues, > > yet it's a particular JRE's issue. Bug IBM/Sun/BEA to fix it :-) > > > > Same with free stack. Everybody knows it's not quite there yet to run > > all Java software. And yes there's a few Java apps out there using sun.* > > packages -- not a Java issue either. Bug application developer to fix it > > so it's ready for free stack. > > > > Want to avoid as much issues as you can? Get Sun's JRE and make sure > > it's on your PATH before free stack is. > > > > Regards, > > Dariusz > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > -- > > fedora-devel-list mailing list > > fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > > > > theres gcj... why would a linux user make his source dependendant on > non free things? > > regards, > rudolf kastl > personally i use pygtk and python ... pretty easy to rad develop good looking and fast (compare swing lol) gui applications. Pretty trivial to build the gui in glade/gazpacho and then just autoattach the signals. theres also the zope application server actually. regards, Rudolf Kastl -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
