On 1/18/06, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >Pardon, but is Fedora under RH's dictatorship and has to take RH's >decisions for granted? Or is Fedora a "community driven project" and >decisions are subject to the community? > There apparently is a strong end user demand for a change on release > cycles. Explain to me in very small words, how that "user demand" is not satified by a "community driven" Legacy? Why does the demand translate into a requirement that RedHat maintainers be the ones responsible for extended updates? What problems with Legacy can not be solved by adding Legacy into the default repository configurations in FC5 and beyond? If community were part of the Core maintainership process directly wuthout increasing the available manhours, the issues would involve exactly the same tradeoffs between developer burden and pace of development. Legacy is EXACTLY the mechanism by which community gains control of the lifetime of updates. Being a Core maintainer means being RedHat personel. Deal with that reality and stop beating your chest pointlessly about the constraints on participation that creates. Using loaded language like dictatorship is extremely unhelpful. Legacy is there to be used AND participated in as a contributor. Legacy is the mechanism by which community can take responsibility to extend update lifetimes beyond which RedHat is comfortable supporting. Extras is the mechanism by which "community" can extend the depth of software available for Fedora as "demanded" by users, which RedHat can not maintain with available resources. Extras was original not available as part of default configurations and not it is. Legacy is the mechanism by which "community" can extend the lifetime of Core updates for Fedora as "demanded" by users, which RedHat can not maintain with available resources. Legacy is not available as part of default configurations but will be soon so dicussion seems to indicate. The parallels between the scope of the two "community driven" portions of Fedora are very clear to me, I'm sorry you don't see the parallels and I'm sorry you feel that RedHat must be the sole provider of solutions to meet user demand in this "community driven" project. I see both Extras and Legacy as forward momentum in community gaining incremental control over portions of the Fedora project. And I'm more than hopeful that additional "demands" from the userbase that can not be met by RedHat directly, could very well end up with their own subprojects in the Fedora space in the future based on merit and community interest to contribute. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list