What's Redhat doing? What's Novell doing?
Microsoft has their solution, and there's a much better solution out there for Linux.
... and the Anaconda idea.. where it checks to see if there is a new rpm available before instalingl Fedora is good too.
Benjy,
AWWTF
On 11/28/05, David Hollis <dhollis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 19:23 -0800, Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:55:11 -0500, David Hollis <dhollis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I think there is a project that does this, and has been doing it for
> > quite awhile. It's called Microsoft Windows. The problem that this
> > method poses is that it's very easy to get to a point where you have no
> > idea what the current real state of your system is. [...]
>
> Solaris used to have a similar system, where they had subpackages or
> "patch" packages. IIRC, they got rid of it and switched to essentially
> what we have now, for a few reasons.
>
Oh jeez, I totally forgot about that horrid mess! It seemed like
Solaris 2.6 was just a patched-to-hell-and-back Solaris 2.5, which was
patched 2.4, etc on down the line!
> I am quite surprised that it works for Microsoft, because Sun gave it
> a good try. Maybe they just ignore most problems, like what happens
> when you upgrade a well-patched system to the next release.
>
I wouldn't really say that it does work with Windows. They are going so
long between Service Packs these days that you wind up with somewhere on
the order of half a million patches to install so the only way you can
possibly keep up with it is to use Windows Update. What if you aren't
on the network (like a secured LAN or just a standalone box)? You
really can't go and find out all of the patches available and the order
that they should be applied. It's beyond human comprehension at this
point. Granted, the patch applier utils are supposed to take the
version of the EXE or DLL into account to avoid overwriting newer ones.
But with Windows' exclusive access issues, if you apply two patches that
happen to update the same file, you can't really be sure which one will
be the one that you wind up with after the next reboot. It's black
magic and pixie dust and all of that good stuff. So in the end, you
might have applied a patch and think that you are in good shape, but the
other patch you applied actually downgraded you. There isn't an easy
way to tell you if you are really honest-to-god up-to-date.
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