"up2date-gnome" is by far the most usable update tool to date. "pup" is really not on par in any respect. I really have no idea why people spent time on that one. The best would be to simply remove it. I do really hope that "up2date-gnome" will remain in the distro. If it uses "yum" under the hood that's ok. Concerning "rhn-applet" your right: it is already unusable in FC4. No reason to drop it though. It should get fixed unless somebody comes up with an alternative shiny new update notifier. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list