On Thu, 2024-10-17 at 19:42 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 at 16:48, Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2024-10-07 at 10:42 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I noticed that the vesa and fbdev X.org drivers were recently retired > > > from Rawhide. There appears to be no Change for this. The commit > > > messages for the retirements refer to this old Change: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceFbdevDrivers#Detailed_Description > > > > > > but that Change was for Fedora 36, and was considered "completed" at > > > the time with no removal of any X.org drivers. The scope of that Change > > > says nothing about retiring X.org drivers. > > > > > > This has had at least one substantial impact that somebody noticed: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/BU46CQS64XWVDANVXLXUE3KVLZLWPSG5/ > > > > > > booting with 'nomodeset', which has decades of history as a standard > > > workaround for having some kind of issue with the native driver for > > > your hardware, no longer works, it seems. > > > > > > To me this is a significant change which maybe should be a Change, not > > > just slipped in with reference to a Change from six releases ago which > > > did not have this in its scope. > > > > I've checked, and it appears this has now mostly also been applied to > > Fedora 41 :( > > > > xorg-x11-drv-fbdev has been retired in F41. xorg-x11-drv-vesa has not, > > but there is no installable build of it at present, and xorg-x11-server > > has been set to Obsolete it: > > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/xorg-x11-server/c/083eae606156350e911d9ad663a9219a92dbe363?branch=f41 > > > > I believe this was done *way* too late for Fedora 41 (after Beta!) and > > without anywhere near sufficient advance notification and discussion. > > We have not run the "basic video driver" tests since Beta, but I'm very > > worried they will be broken. I'll run them today and see. > > Maybe that needs the vesa driver but in the case of fbdev we disabled > the /dev/fbX interfaces as part of a change a few cycles ago and hence > without that the fbdev driver is useless. > Yeah, I was more worried about vesa. I've now tested and basic graphics mode works OK on UEFI and BIOS on both GNOME and KDE with a recent F41 image, so that's good. It uses Wayland in all cases so no X drivers involved. The other case I'm concerned about is doing a basic graphics install of Fedora 39, and upgrading. I'll try to test that later. -- Adam Williamson (he/him/his) Fedora QA Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @adamw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx https://www.happyassassin.net -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
