On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:09:53PM +0100, Manuel Moreno wrote: > Dave Jones wrote: > >Mandriva, SuSE and Ubuntu also carry lots of other patches we don't > > I do not know right now about Mandriva and SuSe but I'm well sure that > Ubuntu kernel carry far less patches than RH. > > >have in Fedora, so the analogy is pointless. > So your comparison is unsound, untrue and misleading. :-) What comparison ? > >End-users shouldn't need to know what a DSDT, or an initrd is. > Why? Why should they ? A user just wants their computer to work, they don't necessarily care what an "acpi" or a "dsdt" is. > >End-users shouldn't need to know what a DSDT, or an initrd is. > Because you say so? speaking as one of the people that have to make sense of bug reports coming in, yes. Part of my job is to make decisions based upon on how supportable something is. It's exactly the same process that kept inotify from being merged until it got upstream. It's the same reason we don't have reiser4. It's the same reason we don't have countless other things people ask for, that no doubt, *someone* would really like to see in the Fedora kernel. But until these things get upstream, my job is to say no, or go insane trying to deal with the resulting fallout. > Considering the increasing number of laptops/notebooks out there your > stand is unsustainable and looks like technofundamentalism. Do you > really want Fedora to wane into the shadows of marginal/niche > distributions... :-) This stuff should "just work". I agree users shouldn't have to build their own kernels. But that also includes "users shouldn't have to mess around with the initrd". Take a look through bugzilla if you want to see the million ways users *have already* screwed up their initrd's because they thought they knew what they were doing. By saying "you *have* to do this to make it work", we're taking a giant step backwards. Dave -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
