On Sunday 7 July 2024 20:25:27 CEST Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > It is not scary, it's how the things get done - find solutions for > concerns raised by the community about the proposal and propose > corrections. In principle that is correct. Things are not black or white though. One could say the proponents should understand how badly many users disagree with it and stop their attempts ( and I am *not* saying this, I am playing devil's advocate here). > I was against the change in its previous form, but I now > changed my mind. > Well, I have not. The metrics collection must be _unequivocally_ off. If somebody wants to share anything it is their prerogative (and right!) to do so but without what I see as social engineering to make more people say "yes" > BTW, it's not really different on how the kde-sig managed to drop x11 > support - they wanted to do so and they have not stopped until they got > what they want, addressing most of the concerns raised by the community. > This is completely unrelated so let's not discuss that here. > So, again, I ask to stop implying malicious intentions where there's > none. I honestly believe people here *want* to do _good_. I still believe the action is *malicious*. I quoted it in another message but I will repeat it here: road to hell is paved with good intentions > Folks behind this proposal need this data to improve Fedora That is just not true. I am sorry. You can improve Fedora in myriads of ways without collecting users' data. > and > they're not going to spy on Fedora users to sell their data to big > companies. With that statement you are showing that many here do not understand the concern: nobody (I daresay) believes the proponents of this want to spy on Fedora users or sell the data. The concern is that the data is available at all! > You're probably leaking a lot more sensitive data by just > browsing the web. Let's say "possibly" instead of "probably". Regardless, that is a very weak argument. The fact that some information might be leaked while browsing the web has absolutely no weight on whether I would like to see even *more* data from Fedora users collected by yet another entity (not matter how well intended) -- Marc Deop i Argemí System Engineer -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
