Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)

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On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 1:13 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
<zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 12:30:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 03:20:07PM +0300, Otto Liljalaakso wrote:
> > > > Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07:
> > > > > =====================================
> > > > > # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco
> > > > > =====================================
> > > > >
> > > > > Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05
> > > > >
> > > > > Meeting summary
> > > > > ---------------
> > > > > * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31)
> > > > > * TOPIC: #3222  Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile
> > > > > Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35)
> > > > > * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59)
> > > > >      * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:23)
> > > > > * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30)
> > > > >      * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away
> > > > > from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29)
> > > > >
> > > > > Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > = New business =
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon
> > > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222
> > > >
> > > > This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding
> > > > #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case:
> > > >
> > > > > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default
> > > > power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the
> > > > distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, -1)
> > > >
> > > > Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or something?
> > > We forgot to say '!agreed …'.
> >
> > I would love for someone to tweak zodbot to use generative AI to
> > actually make it useful.  It served us well for a very long time, but
> > the published summaries aren't useful for those just wanting to follow
> > along and the need to remember what was agreed on with implicit
> > commands is cumbersome.  It wouldn't be that hard to just pipe the
> > logs through an LLM to produce a much better summary and auto-generate
> > the agreements and decisions.  A human would need to review before
> > sending it out, but I think end consumers would benefit much more.
>
> I think this is one of the rare occasions where we forgot to invoke
> the right commands. We almost always remember to do that. Sometimes
> it's useful to edit the summary a bit, I usually do that before sending
> it out.

Yes, I understand it was a rare instance of forgetting the command but
the underlying point of my suggestion was that the summaries are not
really useful even when you remember to use the commands.  If you're
in the meeting and remember the discussion, they might seem like they
capture things well but for those that are not they don't really
provide a lot of value.  The difference between the sent summary from
the tool and the full logs is huge, so a better summary would improve
the experience.  Using a tool to provide a better summary with more
context seems like a good win.

josh
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