On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 at 15:29, Artem S. Tashkinov via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not sure my proposal has been understood at all.
Probably not.. proposals like this need to be thought about, reviewed and thought about. Some people who like to say NO to various things will of course voice their NO as soon as they see it.
Back to the topic.
Then you have to painstakingly scour the web for distros already using this package and check whether their have the same version with a hash. Then you download the package and verify the hash and pray to God the distro has at least given a cursory look to this package, so it's actually safe to install.
I guess I'm not coming from @fedora.org or @redhat.com, so my proposal is "anti-freedom".
No. You are taking one comment from a person who is known to yell at everyone and doesn't work for Red Hat as 'being an official comment'. Most everyone on this list does not speak for Fedora at all. This is the part of the proposal that I was trying to bring up earlier that needs work:
1. There is NO one who speaks for most distributions. There is a group of many people with many different opinions who speak for a part of a distribution. They work together as best they can, but they are all going to have differing opinions and any proposal has to understand that changing 400 people's minds (for the number of active devs in Fedora) takes time.
2. Red Hat sponsors Fedora but doesn't control what Fedora does. There are many developers who are paid by Red Hat but only work on Fedora in their spare time so Red Hat may 'influence' but can not command what they do. Debian and Arch are even further along the anarchy meter for who gets to decide what happens where.
3. Getting distros to work together is hard. People choose their distros like they choose their sports teams. When they see another distro doing something, their first reaction is to do the opposite. This is why it takes a long time to get changes done and it takes a lot of people time to make it happen.
Sorry for wasting your time. You have not even provided the very basic counter-arguments why my proposal makes no sense.
It isn't a waste of time, but I see this response with a lot of good proposals which get any criticism. You are going to get criticism, you are going to get people yelling about stupid things in any proposal you make. People don't change their minds quickly and there is a lot of meat-space circuitry to try and make sure it isn't easy. To get a proposal through, people need to be able to understand that most of the time the first thing they are going to get is NO. Some of it is because people have a lot going on in life and they need space and time to see something for what its worth. Other times they have seen a lot of empty proposals and are trying to see if the person making it is going to actually do something about it or not.
RedHat absolutely can start this initiative. You have all the means and resources, and I'm not talking about something super complex or expensive. For all I know, it could be the most basic website running on top of SQLite which costing the company $50 a month to run.
And of course, without this website, distros will continue to valiantly include upstream packages and get royally screwed and screw their poor users because a ton of your maintainers have neither the time/resources, nor qualifications to check whether the code you happily push to users is malware free.
I guess we'll have to have a few more accidents like this before someone will come up with a similar solution only not coming from me personally, because I'm a no one and just rending the air.
Sorry for intervening,
Artem
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