On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 9:05 AM Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 07:46, Kevin Kofler via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> This is called "shooting the messenger".
It is not. See my reply to Fabio.
> LSB requires various obsolete interfaces, in particular it requires
> Python 2 to be available as /usr/bin/python. Comment [1] contains a
> nice listing. We are not going to bring back Python 2 or old PERL
> modules to satisfy LSB.
That is exactly the attitude I am complaining about!
It would be very much possible to support the Python 2 parts of the spec,
without even shipping unmaintained software: Package Tauthon 2.8.4, and make
both /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python2 symlinks to /usr/bin/tauthon. That1. It is not clear that would actually be 'valid' for being LSB compliant. The LSB was written to be very specific in the 'actual' software used. Substitutes would need approval by the now defunct LSB committee.2. The packages in Fedora are put in there by individuals who are interested in maintaining them. The only things I know of stopping you or a group of individuals from packing up tauthon or the other 'dead' software is just the sheer size of the work required. However, that is just the easy stuff. The perl changes also require similar locked older versions of perl and module trees so every perl script would also need to now be changed to refer to specific versions (one being the perl5 approved by LSB and the other not).In the end, the real work needed is getting LSB 'going' again. The last version was over 10 years old and based on what the state of the 'OS' was in 2012 (it takes time to standardize so even with the last version being from 2015, it is going to aim at what is generally available in 2012). It needs a 'reboot' which either meets what is the state of things are in say 2019 or newer. Or interested people can make an OS which will stick to LSB-5.0 forever.
I question whether any of that is actually needed. Evidence from the past decade seems to show we get by just fine without it. I think it's better to just let LSB fade gracefully into the night.
josh
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