Did we try to persuade upstream to revert the problem? But if they're
not receptive then a downstream fix aligned with Debian looks right.
I didn't yet. However, if they decided to stop mapping these characters, I don't think they would be willing to revert it back. They mentioned the option to map it locally as I did in the PR. I assume they want to stop mapping it on their end and let distros decide if they want to do it themselves.
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 9:25 PM Richard W.M. Jones <rjones@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 12:36:19PM +0100, Lukas Javorsky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm writing this email to the Fedora community to give you a heads-up about
> what we are going to do with the new change introduced to the groff 1.23.0
> version [1].
> Upstream of groff stopped mapping the special characters (like hyphens, tilde,
> ...) to the Basic Latin codes like it previously did.
Yes .. '~' is being replaced by
U+02DC SMALL TILDE character
and the replacement looks terrible. If you have
nbdkit-protect-filter(1) installed you can see this important
meta-character becomes almost invisible, rendering the documentation
and examples very confusing.
> This change was quite controversial in the Debian community as the upstreams/
> maintainers of the man-pages that use these characters in a "not correct
> way" wanted this mapping back in the system. It leads to a 1+ hour read-long
> email thread [2] with discussions in other threads as well.
>
> The final conclusion in Debian was to revert this change and leave the old
> mapping in place as the maintainer of groff received a ton of emails [3] and
> didn't want to spend all of his capacity on this issue.
>
> After reading through all of the emails, we've decided to align with the Debian
> decision and revert this change, thereby retaining the current mapping. The
> main reason for this was to eliminate a bunch of bugs reported to the groff/
> man-pages packages about broken manual pages. Our capacity also has its limits,
> and we need to spend our resources wisely, and this decision was based on that.
> The reproducer and the issue description were reported in Bugzilla [4], so
> please read through it, if you are interested.
I read the LWN discussion.
Did we try to persuade upstream to revert the problem? But if they're
not receptive then a downstream fix aligned with Debian looks right.
Thanks,
Rich.
>
> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2023-07/msg00001.html
> [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/947941/
> [3] https://lwn.net/ml/debian-devel/ZS0aV4XyJH+O1o%2Fc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/
> [4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2224123
>
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>
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