On 29. 06. 23 17:57, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
On 6/29/23 00:44, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 29. 06. 23 0:31, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
Can we allow users to create a minimal installation by hand, while still complying
with PEP-615 for default installs?
The size savings for a minimal container that is UTC-only would be quite valuable
for Fedora minimal containers.
Yes, but see the rest of my email.
Just for clarity, and 3-way-communication:
(a) You are concerned about the UTC case failing today.
I am. It seems that without tzdata, we cannot even use UTC in Python.
(b) You would like to see an upstream patch to python to detect missing tzdata and report something like:
ZoneInfoNotInstalledError: 'No time zone information installed on the system, you can only use UTC'
Yes.
(c) You would like to ensure UTC works even without tzdata installed.
Indeed.
(d) You don't want to carry a downstream patch, but you would be OK with a backported upstream patch?
I don't. Probably OK, depending on the size of it, but I don't expect this to
be super complex.
Does that match your expectations?
All 4 points match my expectations 100%, but I also have another one:
(e) The Python Maint team currently has no capacity to drive this upstream in
the Fedora 39 development cycle. We are in the middle of the Python 3.12 rebase.
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