Hi Jirka, On 6/27/23 01:09, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:39 Hans de Goede napsal(a): >> Hi, >> >> On 6/26/23 18:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation >>> >>> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes >>> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive >>> community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved >>> by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. >>> >>> >>> == Summary == >>> The new PatternFly-based UI has been developed by the Anaconda team >>> for some time now and we would like to make it available for users of >>> Fedora to enhance and modernize installation experience. As the first >>> step in this user adoption process, we are targeting Fedora >>> Workstation only. >> <snip> >> >> This all sounds great, thank you for working on this. >> >>> === Additional information === >>> * We are not planning to add support for spins with this change, they >>> will use the existing GTK UI. >>> * We don’t support remote connections to the WebUI yet. >> Hmm, this really is going to be a problem for low memory machines. >> >> I regularly install Fedora Workstation on 2G (not an issue atm) >> and 1G (requires some trickery) RAM systems. I know this is not >> a lot of RAM but generally speaking these systems work fine >> for non demanding work after the install. >> >> I'm pretty sure that not only the 1G but also the 2G RAM installs, >> which currently barely fit in RAM will become a problem with >> the new web installers. I was actually hoping the web-installer >> would help here since one can then just setup networking in >> the live environment and then have the browser showing the UI >> run somewhere else, hopefully reducing memory consumption >> compared to the gtk installer. >> >> Is there any chance this (remote installs) can at least be >> enabled with a commandline option for advanced users? >> >> I realize that making something for remote installs which works >> well for average users (and is also somehow using an authenticated >> connection) is quite a bit of work. >> >> But in the interim a cmdline option to start listening on >> other interfaces then the loopback device (and to not start >> the local browser) would be nice to have for power users. >> >> Note related to this ATM: >> >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview/ >> >> "Minimum System Configuration" >> >> Says 2G is the supported minimum. It would be good to see if >> that can actually be made to / kept working. >> >> Has anyone already tested the new installer on a system with its >> RAM limited to 2G ? >> >> As said I have some tricks to help with this which currently >> allow me to go down to 1G. We should probably look into making >> some of those the default on the livecd. >> >> E.g. changing a few things to not run evolution-data-services >> on the livecd (no calendering will be configured anyways) >> is an easy win of at least 50 MB of RAM. >> >> Regards, >> >> Hans > If you need low memory footprint you probably don't want to use Live image for installation. It's the biggest one because it needs to have whole Gnome environment in memory. For that, I would suggest you to use Fedora Server network installation ISO. It has much smaller memory footprint for installation and still can install workstation system in the Software Selection. The Fedora Server ISO is not part of this change so still GTK UI. > If you want even smaller memory footprint then you can run the Server ISO in the text mode by setting 'inst.text' kernel boot parameter in the grub menu. > > We did some testing for the memory footprint of the web UI but it was some time ago and I don't remember the results. We can definitely verify it. The Workstation livecd is *the* default download on https://getfedora.org/ all the other Workstation options are hidden behind a "other Downloads" button. Currently that default Workstation Download can be installed on machines with 2G of RAM matching the advertised minimum system requirements. Telling people with systems with 2G of RAM that they now need to use the server iso and then manually select the right package set is IMHO an unacceptable regressions and I consider this a blocker for moving forward with making the web based installer for Fedora Workstation. Also you cannot assume that everyone will have enough bandwidth to do network installs... > To answer your question, remote installations work (probably not great on Live environment). We have 'inst.webui.remote' kernel boot parameter to enable that, however, we decided to not officially support it from a few reasons: > - we don't have support for HTTPS connections yet (we are looking on the security aspects of this) > - it will not work on Live out of the box because Anaconda is not autostarted there (something needs to start the Anaconda backend). This is the same reason why we don't support VNC installations on Live. Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? I guess it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start some systemd unit ? Can you please put some instructions for this in the testing section of: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation (with a note that this is currently not supported / recommended). > About the improvements on the Live ISO, that should be a question on Fedora Workstation SIG. Anaconda team is not in charge of the environment on the Live ISO. Well you are suggesting a change that is likely going to significantly increase the amount of memory needed to do a livecd workstation install and as mentioned above pushing the requirements above 2G would basically block this change since 2G RAM is currently the advertised minimum RAM requirement for Fedora workstation installs. So although I realize this is not entirely fair IMHO if you want to push forward with this feature then you may also be on the hook to look into reducing the memory footprint elsewhere so that the end result still fits in 2G RAM. I have some experience with tweaking the livecd to work with less RAM and I'm happy to share my experience in this, but I do not have time to actually implement needed changes for this. Regards, Hans _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
