On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:20:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > So... this brings up something about this whole thread that I've avoided > but think does matter: I understand that you are the Fedora Project > Leader, but it seems like a lot of this is being done based on your > personal decisions. I believe that you are doing what you think is best > for the project (NOT questioning your motives, experience, etc.), but is > all of this entirely in scope for the project leader to decide on their > own? I think there's two mixed things here. For the forum itself, I've been acting as admin, and I admit I'm excited about it. But I haven't been making most decisions alone — I usually post in the public Site Help & Feedback forum for discussion first. (See these topics for some big examples: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/considering-a-general-reorganization-of-this-site/34174 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/considering-a-merge-of-ask-fedora-into-discussion-fedoraproject-org/68177) ) But in the future, and probably not the very far future, we should have a formal team around this. Second, there's the decision about what to do with devel list, or mailing lists overall. As outlined in the first post, I'm not making that decision alone. We've dicussed it in the Fedora Council, and we're having this discussion here, and the first step is the intended experiment with the Change process -- which is a FESCo decision. > You believe that the lists are outdated/blocking new contributors, but > where is the evidence to support that (and that a web forum will be > better), and who else agreed to such a change? You turned off mailing > list mode because you believe it isn't good, but who else had input? I feel like this is actually an example of the problem with so-called "mailing list mode". Out of context, that sounds like I have disabled a mode that makes Discourse behave more like a mailing list. (I mean, right?) But that's not what it does, as I've noted several places already here. So when upstream disabled the setting by default (https://meta.discourse.org/t/2-7-0-beta5-improved-invites-auto-tag-and-auto-replace-watched-words-pm-bulk-operations-and-more/182096) it made sense to me to me to just follow that change. > I'm just a little concerned that because you don't like mailing lists, > Fedora must migrate away, and to something where you'll be making more > individual decisions. Honestly, it's just plain not sustainable for me to keep doing that, whether or not it's good or bad. :) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
