On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:53:26PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > 1. Python discussions are no longer at the same place as all the > other discussions (my Thunderbird). This is a big one for me. I > cannot primarily use the Discourse web interface on > discuss.python.org because I simply won't go there. I suppose that I mentioned somewhere else around here that I use the Android "Discourse Hub" app as a way to keep up with this — I see notifications from Python, Home Asssitant, Flatpak, etc., even though I don't visit those sites daily. I kind of miss this on the desktop. I wonder if a web app that does the same thing would help you too? As more and more projects use Discourse, that could become a sort of nexus for all of these gardens that Jonathan Corbet mentions. > > 2. When I read the content in the web app, it does not mark the > related emails read. I can either read everything via email (which > frankly has a worse readability than the web app) or go read it on > web and than manually mark my emails as read. So far, this has been > tedious for me so far and I repeatedly give up and mark the entire > Python Discourse folder as read when the number reaches 10k unread > emails. Even if I read everything via email, I cannot reply there so > I still need to visit the thing in the web app to participate. We have reply-by-email enabled. It is also possible to enable new topics by email, but that's vulernable to impersonation (and spam) so if we enable that there probably will be a moderation step. > 3. When I choose to use the mailing list approach, I can no longer > distinguish "regular" email notifications (somebody replied to my > comment or mentioned me) from the rest of the email traffic from the > forum. This will apply to others as well; e.g. when I send an email > to devel now, I can CC people I know need to see it -- on Discourse > I can mention them, but they might not notice that if they receive > an email of everything anyway. Can you use the Feedback-ID header to distinguish and highlight those personal notifications? > So far, when Python switched from mailing list to Discourse I've noticed this: > > Once I participate in a certain discussion, it somewhat works, as > long as I remember to go check it out occasionally. But OTOH I miss > out almost everything I don't actively participate in. > > ----------- > > Perhaps I am a greybeard, but I am pretty much scared of this change in Fedora. > > > You say we miss people now. I say we will miss them then. > Unfortunately, I don't know how to solve that. Maybe my fear is not > justified, but it is real. Thank you. I appreciate the real-world feedback from the Python experience. What about, instead of mailing list mode, enabling the Activity Summary email, and setting it to daily instead of weekly? That gives a reminder (and hopefully something interesting) but keeps the web site as primary for actual notifications and for keeping track of what's read and not read. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
