On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 at 03:33, Daniel Alley <dalley@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Frame pointers sound like a simple solution to unwinding, but they are not.
> They are no complete replacement for unwinding information.
>
> Kevin Kofler
I don't think anyone ever argued that frame pointers were a complete replacement for unwinding information. Maybe I missed that part of the discussion?
I doubt that they did so in so many words, but it sure has felt that way with some of the conversations. I think that comes from the fact the arguments have gotten very heated and people aren't fully communicating facts as much as emotions.
At this point, it doesn't matter. The changes will go into the mass rebuild, and we will see how many packages actually build, and how much work is needed to get the rest to work. After that we can get a beta out and see if the slowdowns are shattering. Then we will get a release out in April/May and call it Fedora 38. At which point we can really see if the slow downs are bad enough to make it 'unusable' or the data gotten by the changes are 'able to improve things'.
People like me who are not happy about the way this change has been pushed through will either stay on F36/F37 until we are feeling things are improved, or moving to a different operating system for the time being. It happens, and is a good thing. I like to consider it self-imposed exile where I get to experience a different 'culture' of a different city-state's way of doing things (like an Athenian going to Corinth, Sparta, or some island city.) You then come back with new ideas on how to improve things and sometimes then end up being the next big change everyone in Fedora-Athens is unhappy with.
Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
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