Re: F38 proposal: Unified Kernel Support Phase 1 (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Mi, 21.12.22 06:27, Neal Gompa (ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 6:23 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On 20/12/2022 19:56, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > Great. The gotcha though is this in effect requires a change in the file system currently mounted at /boot, which is ext4. And ext4 isn't supported by sd-boot or UEFI firmware. So if you're going to support sd-boot, the installer needs to be aware that either the ESP is big enough to be used as /boot, or if it's not big enough then it will be mounted on /efi*and*  a new partition XBOOTLDR formatted as FAT will be used as /boot.
> >
> > Nobody should use FAT for /boot. efifs[1] should be used instead.
> >
> > systemd-boot can load these drivers from ESP out of the box[2].
> >
> > [1]: https://github.com/pbatard/efifs
> > [2]: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15617
>
> Indeed. We should not endeavor to create more problems by putting more
> stuff in the ESP. By doing so, we lose features and capabilities from
> our own native filesystem. No matter what boot manager we use, we
> should not be required to give that up. We already have efifs[1]
> packaged in Fedora, let's use that.

That's such a weird logic. /boot is supposed to contain data consumed
by the boot loader, not so much by the OS.

What do you think a boot laoder is going to do with access modes, file
ownership, selinux labels?

I am pretty sure we should reduce problems and simplify things by just
using VFAT for boot loader stuff, and put everything at the least
number of places possible.

Lennart

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Lennart Poettering, Berlin
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