Re: F40 proposal: Porting Fedora to Modern C (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:23:40AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:05:52AM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:

...snip...

> >> == How To Test ==
> >
> > As discussed by others, this needs to explain how to opt-in for early
> > testing, and also how to opt-out in packages, how to opt-out as a user
> > (if the default touches users), etc.
> 
> The challenge with that is that I've been told not to do this work in
> Fedora proper by release engineering, and a request for a long-living
> side tag with a suitable compiler has not been approved:
> 
>   Long-term side tag for toolchain experiment
>   <https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10392>

Sorry that got dropped...

The thread about it I suggested copr, some other folks thought that
might work, and I don't recall ever hearing if that would work for you
or not. So, seems communication broke down here somewhere. 

I suppose it's too late now for this to matter aside from us trying to
not have it happen again? In the future, if a releng issue gets stuck,
please do drop by the releng and infra standups (mon/tue/wed/thu) at
18UTC in #fedora-meeting-3 / meeting-3:fedoraproject.org and bring up
the issue. 

> More recently, I was explicitly told not to keep the compiler changes on
> a branch in Fedora dist-git.
> 
> It is not really possible to get realistic testing through compiler flag
> injection because crufty old code that is problematic for these changes
> often does not inject flags properly.  Certain likely changes cannot be
> modeled through -Werror= options (but can be patched into GCC).  Some
> build systems explicitly filter out -Werror= options during the
> configure stage (generally a good idea, but not helpful here).
> 
> So I'm a bit at a loss what to do here.  Maybe releng can reconsider
> their approach.

So, can you say that copr definitely will not work for this?
If it will, great, use that. If it won't, we can make you a side tag, I
don't really have any objection to it other than it seems like copr was
better designed for this sort of work...

kevin

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