Owen, Thanks for explaining the situation with umask. I'd noticed the discrepancy between login/non-login shells and wondered what was going on. >It seems like we need to do one of two things: > > - Go back to the old behavior, maybe by using the usergroups option to >pam_umask and removing the code from /etc/bashrc > - Or just go fully to 0022 by removing the code from /etc/bashrc. > >What do people think? If the current situation has lasted for several >years, it clearly isn't *that* much of a concern to most people :-) Having used Red Hat OSes for many years it just seems *natural* that files should be '-rw-rw-r--' but I'm sure I'd get used to '-rw-r--r--' eventually. After all, that's how it was before. If we do stick with 0002 it would be *tidier* if default directories had the same permissions as user-created directories. Currently: $ ls -l total 68 drwxrwxr-x. 2 rmy rmy 4096 May 15 10:10 bin drwxr-xr-x. 2 rmy rmy 4096 May 15 09:47 Desktop ... Ron _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure