Hi Adam, Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > snip > That could obviously have pretty significant consequences for Fedora. > Bugzilla isn't only an issue tracker for Fedora; we run some > significant processes through it, notably the Change process, the > blocker/FE bug process, and the prioritized bug process. In A World > Without Bugzilla all of those would need adapting (and their > documentation updating). There's fairly tight integration between Bodhi > and Bugzilla, which would need to be redesigned. Those are just things > I can think of off the top of my head. There are also a couple of > decades worth of internet links to Fedora issues on RH Bugzilla, of > course. > > I guess the two big choices for Fedora if RH said "we're not > maintaining Bugzilla any more" would be 1) take over maintaining > Bugzilla or 2) switch to something else. 1) would probably be the path > of least resistance, I guess. Short term it is the path of the least resistance, but at least what I've heard from $dayjob, maintaining a Bugzilla instance is no easy task, as they are often customized (via non-upstream patches) and this all needs to be maintained. I cannot speak for our infra team, but I really don't know if they'd like yet another huge service, because this effectively means they'd have to take over maintenance of bugzilla.redhat.com... > > This does also kinda lead to a larger question for me, trying to wear > both Red Hat and Fedora hats at the same time[0]. I wonder if we're > kind of lacking a...mechanism, for want of a better word, to handle the > *generic* case here. Let's rewind to Ye Olde Days, when "the Fedora > project" first started. At that point Fedora and Red Hat shared a lot > of tooling and infrastructure, and this was useful to both sides in > many ways; it saves on development costs and it makes it easy for > people to work in both worlds. With my Red Hat on, I think I'm allowed > to say that internally we often talk about this being desirable - > having consistency between how X is done in Fedora and how it's done > for RHEL - and it obviously has benefits to Fedora too (it means we > don't have to find the resources to do that same work at Fedora level). > > However, situations like this make me wonder if we might have an issue > with keeping shared infra/tooling where it's desirable. It seems like > this is a decision/conversation that's been happening within RH, about > what makes sense for RH in terms of RHEL development. AFAIK this is the > first time it's been formally talked about in a Fedora context, and the > messaging is "RH has already decided to stop using Bugzilla for RHEL > after 9". In other words, RH has decided on its own to move away from > something that is part of the shared RH/Fedora "heritage way of doing > things". > > I'm not saying that's wrong, but as I said it does make me wonder > whether, if both sides do find shared tooling/approaches beneficial, we > might want to approach this kind of potential change differently in > future. Otherwise it does seem like we could sort of gradually drift > apart, with no explicit intention to do so, and lose the benefits of > shared tooling and process. Unless the ultimate outcome of this is > "Fedora adopts issues.redhat.com for bug tracking" - which would be a > possibility, but doesn't seem like a certainty - the result will be > that we go from having a shared bug tracker, with the benefits of > shared maintenance and being able to easily clone or reference bugs > between Fedora and RHEL, to each maintaining our own bug tracker and > not having those benefits. > > Of course, there would be sensitivities in developing such a process - > it could look a lot like Red Hat telling Fedora how to do stuff, which > I think isn't exactly the relationship we want to have. But at the same > time I'm not sure "Red Hat or Fedora just deciding unilaterally to stop > using this thing they'd previously both used" is always the best choice > either. No, certainly not. I think it would have been nice if the tooling discussion happened before RH decided to drop Bugzilla so that we can all use a common tooling. However, I also know that in a business sometimes reaching such a consensus is everything but easy. It would have been nice if someone at least tried though. Cheers, Dan _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
