Re: RHEL moving to issues.redhat.com only long term

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On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 13:52 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:45 AM Colin Walters <walters@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > > Long term if Bugzilla slowly morphs into only being used by
> > > Fedora,
> > > personally I'd prefer to have bugs/issues in gitlab instead.
> > 
> > Yes, I personally think gitlab.com would be a good replacement for
> > src.fedoraproject.org and bugzilla.redhat.com.
> 
> I disagree as the interface for agile development like sprints,
> kanban
> and other team tools is rudimentary at best and really not suitable
> for anything more than the basics and is not a patch on the
> functionality and plugin ecosystem that is available in Jira. The
> gitlab functionality there is a toy in comparison.

Peter,
Bugzilla has no support for any sprints or kanban at all, so I do not
see how this is relevant.
Unless your claim is that Fedora absolutely needs a sprint/kanban based
organizational tool which would surprise me.

I personally do not think Fedora should tie itself to Red Hat's Jira.
For community oriented development Jira is simply not a great tool IMO,
because it is built with a "traditional" organization in mind, not for
community use.

Keeping it simple is actually an existential requirement for Fedora
where we have so many drive-by volunteers. Complex on-boarding becomes
quickly an impenetrable barrier to participation.
This is another reason I think common forges issue systems, while
limited are a better fit for community issue reporting than either
Bugzilla or Jira, because they are simple and immediately available.

You can easily write automation to pull in/mirror issues into your own
Jira projects if that's what you use for work and feel the need for,
IMO.

And just to be clear I am both a *heavy* Jira and Bugzilla user
(including writing automation for both and other stuff via bots) for
work, so I think I can say I know what I am talking about.

Simo.

-- 
Simo Sorce
RHEL Crypto Team
Red Hat, Inc



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