Re: F37 Change: Curl-minimal as default (System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 07:16:26PM +0100, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 24.02.22 um 19:05 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:19:33AM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > > On 22/02/2022 21:45, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > > Does it make sense to keep FTP with most browsers obsoleting the
> > > > protocol due to lack of security?
> > > 
> > > Many Fedora mirrors still use FTP. You can check metalink file.
> > 
> > Odd. There shouldn't be any. Can you paste/post what you are seeing?
> > 
> > We disabled and removed all ftp:// urls in mirrormanager in 2016:
> > https://github.com/fedora-infra/mirrormanager2/issues/99#issuecomment-222630215
> 
> dnf isn't restricted to using "official" mirrors, but is also used for 3rd
> party add-on-repos and for private repos.
> 
> For them, disabling ftp is pretty much a massive regression.

This feels like it is overstating the severity to a large degree.

Removing FTP from official Fedora mirror manager was not a massive
regression because so few of our mirrors were FTP-only in 2016.
Another 6 years later, the number of sites with FTP-only  can only
have decreased. So while there certainly could be 3rd party repos
which have one or more mirrors which are FTP only, if they exist
they will surely be a tiny minority in the big picture. Their loss
would simply mean it picked a different mirror.

If someone is setting up a personal private mirror, I struggle
to understand a reason why they would pick FTP over HTTP(S)
today. Perhaps someone will have a FTP only mirror that's
existed for years and simply haven't got around to enabling
HTTP, but addressing that is not an unreasonable expectation.

IMHO explicitly disabling FTP in dnf would be fine, as any fallout
could be easily dealt with by enabling HTTP. Just ensure we announce
such intent ahead of time via a Fedora feature proposal.

Regards,
Daniel
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