On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:27 PM Dennis Gilmore <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 7:55 AM David Bold <davidsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On 11/15/21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > > > > > ... > > > == Scope == > > > > > > * Proposal owners: Work with rel-eng to disable the architecture in > > > koji, remove all the various pungi pieces and clean up any other > > > release detritus. > > > > > > * Other developers: No action required. > > > > > > * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10387 Releng > > > issue #10387] Disable a bunch of stuff, it's really just one koji > > > admin command and a PR for pungi config changes > > > > > > * Policies and guidelines: No initial updates to policies and > > > guidelines as ARMv7 won't completely disappear until F-36 EOL. > > > > > > * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) > > > > > > == Upgrade/compatibility impact == > > > > > > Any current users of Fedora on ARMv7 devices won't be able to upgrade > > > to Fedora 37, they will have to stay on Fedora 36 until it's EOL. > > > > > ... > > > == User Experience == > > > Any current users of Fedora on ARMv7 devices won't be able to upgrade > > > to Fedora 37, they will have to stay on Fedora 36 until it's EOL. > > ... > > > > I just tried to install Fedora on RPi, and I ended up on [1] where I > > downloaded an image. That was unfortunately armv7 - and I needed to go > > to [2] - which was not linked in the descriptions [3,4]. Also the wiki > > lists first the armv7 [5] > > > > As such I think there will be very many people being stuck on F36, > > without a way to update to F37. I was not happy that my old RPi will not > > work any more, but that we still push people towards a to be retired > > version is very bad. > > > > I think at least this needs to be taken into account, and the websites > > should be fixed as soon as possible. Further, if this is possible, there > > should be instructions to update from armv7 to aarch64, to make a direct > > upgrade, rather than reinstall, possible. > > > > tl;dr > > 1) mention that also aarch64 users are affect, if they run armv7 > > software, which seems quite likely > > 2) Change the websites, add deprecation info, and point to aarch64 pages > > 3) discuss impact on armv7 on aarch64 users > > We do not support running 32-bit arm software on an AArch64 system. We > should look at places that suggest a 32 bit version of Fedora for a > raspberry pi and update that to use AArch64 versions. Possibly adding > a dnf plugin to all 32 bit arm systems giving users a warning that the > EOL of 32 bit arm is coming and depending on the hardware they will > need to replace it or in the case of the raspberry pi if it is new > enough they could do a clean AArch64 install > Any solution involving a DNF plugin is unworkable because any theoretical plugin is not already on the images. Frankly, it makes no sense that we can't run 32-bit ARM software on a 64-bit ARM platform, but here we are... -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
