Re: F36 Change: GNU Toolchain Update (gcc 12, glibc 2.35) (late System-Wide Change proposal)

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On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 10:52, Andreas Schneider <asn@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 7:00:22 PM CET Steve Grubb wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 5:05:26 PM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
> >
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNUToolchainF36
> > >
> > > == Summary ==
> > > Update the Fedora 36 GNU Toolchain to gcc 12 and glibc 2.35.
> > >
> > > The gcc 12 is currently under development and will be included in
> > > Fedora 36 upon release. The glibc 2.35 change will be tracked in this
> > > top-level GNU Toolchain system-wide update.
> >
> >
> > Reading through the GCC 12 changes, there is a significant new feature to
> > GCC
>  that would appear to be useful for security. There is a new:
> >
> > -ftrivial-auto-var-init=zero
> >
> > flag that initializes all stack variables to zero. Zero being a nice safe
> > value that makes programs crash instead of being exploitable.
> >
> > Are there plans to enable this flag so that all applications, but more
> > importantly the kernel, are hardened against uninitialized stack variables?
> >
> > This is one of the major classes of security bugs that could potentially
> > be eliminated during this mass rebuild.
>
> I don't know if it is still the case, but OpenSSL used uninitialized stack
> variables on purpose! If you initialize them to zero might end up with the
> same disaster as Debian had some years ago!
>
> https://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571

IIRC it wasn't that simple. The necessary entropy was *not* coming
from uninitialized bytes. There were other sources of *real* entropy,
but the Debian patch caused *none* of it to be added to the pool
(except for the PID). Zeroing the uninitialized bytes would *not* hurt
as long as the *real* sources of entropy still get added.
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