On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 10:38, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 03:59, Kevin Kofler via devel > <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > The Wireless Extensions support in the kernel has been long replaced > > > by the mac80211/cfg80211 support. Disable the kernel options and > > > retire the wireless-tools userspace utilities. Wireless Extensions > > > only supports a minor subset of the wireless interfaces, predominently > > > the WEP interface and userspace has been replaced by iw/libnl/ip > > > interfaces which offer a lot more advanced features as well as modern > > > 802.11 functionality like WPA. > > > > Users are going to miss the iwconfig tool. Not only is it still being used > > out of habit (just like ifconfig from net-tools), but (also just like > > ifconfig) it is also much more user-friendly. E.g., running "iwconfig" > > without arguments prints a nice summary of the wireless devices and their > > properties, such as access point ESSID and BSSID, bit rate, signal level, > > etc., whereas running "iw" without arguments prints a 132-line help output > > with around a hundred different commands (with no explanation as to what > > they do, as that would require even more than 132 lines: the --help output > > is 445 lines long). "iw" also exposes implementation details in the most > > unfriendly way, by requiring the user to use "dev <devname>", "phy > > <phyname>", "wdev <idx>", or "reg" prefixes depending on the individual > > command (and it is entirely unclear to the user why something is a dev > > property, a phy property, or both), whereas "iwconfig" takes the same > > interface name for all commands. > > > > The new ip, iw, and route tools have clearly been designed by kernel > > developers for kernel developers, not for end users or even system > > administrators. The old ifconfig and iwconfig are much easier to use. > > Cannot agree more. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by complaining here or 'me too'-ing. Deprecated and unused subsystems should get removed. If you don't like the way the current userland tools behave, open RFE's with their respective upstreams instead of adding noise here. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPM Fusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
