Re: F35 Change: Switch to WirePlumber as the PipeWire session manage (late Self-Contained Change proposal)

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On Fri, 2021-10-01 at 17:27 +0000, Tom Seewald wrote:
> > This change proposal is the first I've heard of it. But since this is
> > being proposed by the author of Pipewire, I kind of assume it's good,
> > and I doubt Workstation WG would see the need to get involved unless 
> > concerns are raised. Does WirePlumber have some sort of deficiencies 
> > compared to pipewire-session-manager?
> 
> Now that Fedora 35 is in beta and more people are testing it out, it
> appears that wireplumber does have some regressions compared to
> pipewire-media-session. Namely that audio output switching for flatpak
> applications does not work [1], and that desktop system sound volume
> (e.g. notification sounds) can not be controlled independently from the
> main system volume [2][3]. There is also an issue with changing
> bluetooth speaker volume [5]. From developer comments it may not be
> likely that all of these problems will be fixed in time for the F35
> release, and the current workaround is to switch back to pipewire-
> media-session [4].
> 
> Clearly this is late in the release cycle, but I am concerned that
> wireplumber will provide an overall worse audio experience for F35
> users. So ultimately I am asking if we should re-evaluate whether or
> not wireplumber should be the default pipewire session manager for F35.
> Are there other features landing in F35 that specifically depend on
> wireplumber, and if so do they outweigh the currently known
> regressions?
> 
> [1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber/-/issues/59
> [2] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber/-/issues/51
> [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2003403
> [4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2003403#c4
> [5] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber/-/issues/58

I think you make a good point here. I've filed a ticket asking FESCo to
consider whether we should pull the change:

https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2670
-- 
Adam Williamson
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