From: Paul Iadonisi <pri.rhl4@xxxxxxxxxxx> > If I saw nVidia and ATI maybe actively participating in the antitrust > case against Microsoft in the EU Oh don't even go there. Anti-trust is just another word for "everyone ganging up on a competitor." It typically solves *0* of the actual community issues, but only competitor ones. I think the results of the US trial -- both during the Clinton and Bush administrations -- show that it only addressed competitor issues, not standards-based ones. And you can be sure the EU lawsuit is more about trade than standards too. After all, HP and Red Hat donate massive amounts of IP and real GPL software to Linux -- in far excess of EU corporations, yet they are being "lumped in" with IBM as exploiting Linux in recent, so-called "reports." That _really_ exposed with what the EU is doing. I think the epitome of this can be seen in Boeing v. Airbus and the WTO. In other words, I don't believe any federated organization of states has any interest in standards and other community-focused endeavors -- at least it's very small compared to fiscally-aligned interests of its member corporations. Case-in-point: Who was the Senator that really got the DOJ v. MS going and what state was he from? ;-> > and joining NoSoftwarePatents.com then I'd be willing to cut them some > slack. Patents aren't bad. Patents on _common_ideas_ are bad. What we need to do is lobby for a massive reduction in patents, and 10x the scrutiny, instead of this "organ grinder" system we have. The US has a massive patent system that's out of control. At the same time, the US continues to be the incubator of countless technologies -- especially in the medical field. Disrespect for IP is why medicine are dis-proportionally expensive in this country, because no one else shares the IP burden but Americans. But without that return, there would not be the research. I have no argument that Microsoft is the _least_ innovative and the _most_ IP sucking company in the world. But just because of companies like Microsoft doesn't mean all companies are "bad." > And take a stand against the current patent system in the US. I think nVidia and SGI has done a lot of good for OpenGL in the past. You should read up on their donations. > That goes for any other company that is in this kind of mess. > Otherwise, they are just playing the victims. I do agree with you on companies like Red Hat trying to form "grass roots" efforts with other, _ethical_ companies to address this. > Or perhaps it isn't them painting *themselves* as victims. But if they > expended the resources necessary to *change* this mess more than in > their cloistered little worlds (with the resulting limited effect) then > maybe we'd get somewhere. Unfortunately, if one company does that, they just get taken advantage of by the other companies. Which is why we should support endeavors like Red Hat's. It could change the face of the landscape. Your points are noted. However, I don't believe in the current trend of federated litigation and abolishment of all software patents. Anything forced by a federated body smells like ... well, I don't want to say it. ;-> Community-based efforts by _choice_, like Red Hat's current efforts, are the best way. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;-> -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
