On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 10:16 AM Iago Rubio <iago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 09:00 -0400, Troy Curtis Jr wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 6:25 PM Mukundan Ragavan <
> nonamedotc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I am orphaning rarian (https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/rarian).
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> It seems the impact is a little more than that:
Just to point it out, this have been discussed at the list with mixed
opinions.
Thanks for pointing out the existing discussion. I promise I searched for a discussion first, but I guess since it was embedded in the "New maintainer experience"
thread, I skipped right over it 😬.
I was aiming at getting the rarian package myself as a first package on
Fedora as stated here
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/V24Y6IYST4EUWRUAVHGLUOAU3XF46WD2/
I have made a package on Copr that builds on rawhide.
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/iago/rarian/
The spec can be checked here
https://github.com/iagorubio/rarian-rpm
Some people said it was good to revive it
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/DU2LHKUN4OR6FPKIDAB5ASS3BUINUXZK/
There is also the opinion that is better to let rarian go at this point
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/7HFCYWGIO3KYUAKGH7IYY4UG76VWFZ3Y/
If Mukundan want to take it over again, and there is a consensus about
maintaning the package, he can use my spec as a starting point, if he
don't want to take it again I may submit a review request and try to
get an sponsor, or let other packager take it over once the review is
done.
I can certainly understand needing to let something go at some point, but looking at the list two packages catch my eye: dia and viking. I tend to always fall back to dia for diagramming and I just recently installed viking for use (though it isn't something I use daily or even weekly).
While it seems that dia went dormant for a while, it looks like there is some new activity in the repo [1], though no new releases yet. It is possible that dia dropped rarian/scrollkeeper in the lastest master branch, but for sure the current release, 0.97.3, requires it. Perhaps the dia maintainer huzaifas will have better insight into the current state of this? (cc'ed)
viking looks to be seeing current attention upstream, and there is even a newer release [2] than what is currently available in Fedora Linux (created [3]). The current Fedora package definitely fails to generate manpages without rairian-compat, but it does seem that 1.9 has dropped this requirement. Maybe fab has more context on this? (cc'ed)
A quick look at etherape shows active upstream that appears to have dropped scrollkeeper as well, and the Fedora package is a few versions behind. Without directly checking all the other packages, I suspect that Kalev is right: projects with active upstreams have migrated away from it. I think for now I'll take the package, and pull in the changes that you made in your copr to make sure it continues to build. Once you are sponsored (sorry I'm not able to do so), you are welcome to co-maintain. However, my intention with taking the package is simply as a stop-gap until dependent packages make releases that make their way into Fedora. For me personally, that's mostly dia. Once all the active upstreams have in fact moved off of it, then I think it would make sense to retire it for real.
If the decision to let it go, goes ahead, it may live on Copr as is for
the time being in case someone needs it.
Troy
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