Re: The Death of Java (packages)

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I'd also like to plug Jakub's new sponsor page: https://docs.pagure.org/fedora-sponsors/all

There you can find all currently active sponsors by language, interest, etc.


Cheers,

Dan

On August 12, 2021 7:29:10 AM UTC, Felix Schwarz <fschwarz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Hi Stephen,
>
>thank you for your interest in contributing to Fedora. I can totally understand
>that the current policies may seem overwhelming so that becoming a packager
>might be seen as some kind of "elite" status.
>I think I would feel the same way if I didn't become a packager ~10 years ago.
>
>However I would like to emphasize Ben's point:
>> I think becoming a packager is not as complicated as you’ve written. To
>> become a packager, you must convince a packager sponsor to sponsor you.
>> That’s all; there is no rule about how to do the convincing.
>
>Maybe you do 1-2 package updates or fixes (pull request via 
>src.fedoraproject.org) and check the Fedora wiki pages for a list of sponsors. 
>Try contacting some of them directly after you verified they are still active 
>(mailing list/src.fedoraproject.org). Also it helps usually if these sponsors 
>are interested in the languages/tech stack which you tried to improve.
>
>That being said: Java in Fedora is one of the hardest areas to tackle. Several 
>"high profile" packagers had to give up on that task (despite heroic efforts) 
>because it is just too much for one person (or a small team).
>
>Part of the problem is that the Java upstream "culture" does not matches the 
>processes of a traditional Linux distribution like Fedora. Lots of bundled 
>dependencies, "secret" build processes and on top a huge number of small packages.
>
>I can understand that "keeping Eclipse in Fedora" is a worthy goal for sure but 
>really a lot of work. Other areas like Python packaging are much easier as 
>applications tend to be smaller and bundling is less common in the Python world. 
>(Also great efforts by our Python team!)
>
>
>One of the things I'd be interested in is "reprocible builds" which I think 
>might be easier to contribute. While there is a lot of infrastructure to build 
>(= a lot of work) you can also just fix one package at a time (probably with a 
>few upstream commits). Even if you stop contributing to Fedora after some months 
>or years you advanced the state of Fedora/Linux anyway.
>
>Felix
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