Hi everybody, With things like [0] (TL;DR: bots submitting broken builds to rawhide) becoming a more regular occurrence, I propose that we extend the existing Updates Policy [1] to make it explicit that bots are not allowed to submit builds / updates - even to rawhide - unattended: "Rawhide is not your CI environment." Currently, the Updates Policy states: - packagers must verify that no known broken builds are pushed, - packagers must announce ABI and API changes once week in advance, - packagers must not push pre-release versions of low-level packages. While it is debatable whether podman + friends + container-stuff-dependencies count as "low-level" packages, they *are* installed by default in Workstation. I think it is clear that by using a bot to automatically push pre-release snapshots as rawhide updates, the first two requirements CANNOT be met. I would like to make this conflict explicit and add a statement like this to the Updates Policy: "Automated systems / bots are not allowed to submit new builds for inclusion into Fedora without the involvement of a packager." The following things should still be allowed: - releng and SIGs submitting scripted mass rebuilds (no actual package changes, triggered by a person) - bots submitting rawhide builds for ELN (no package change, just built for different buildroot) The following should be explicitly banned: - bots submitting new, non-scratch snapshot builds of software to rawhide unattended (often leading to broken versions, versioning snafus, or blatant errors leading to package downgrades, as it happened today [0]) There is already a requirement that no packager should submit builds that are never intended to go "stable", and I see this as a similar requirement - since those snapshot builds are presumably only done for automated CI purposes without the intention of them ever reaching stable Fedora releases, where they are superseded by packager-created manual builds of those packages - but leaving Rawhide with unstable, bot-created snapshot builds. Fabio [0]: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/LYCPRPFTAED4OA7FVCHVHXP6GWVGGEFI/ [1]: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Updates_Policy/#_rawhide _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
