On 15. 04. 21 6:54, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
Dne 12. 04. 21 v 18:32 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
cura-lulzbot orphan, spot 6 weeks ago
fedora-jam-kde-theme jvlomax, orphan 0 weeks ago
gnome-desktop alexl, caolanm, fmuellner, gnome-sig, 0 weeks ago
orphan, rhughes
How this can happen? I.e., orphaned package with one or more co-maintainers.
This is definitively repetitive pattern. I wonder whether we have some process
problem?
Why the main admin does not ask co-maintainers first?
I think we get lucky if the no-longer-interested maintainers at least care
enough to actually orphan the packages. In most of the cases, they just go AWOL
and we wait for non-responsive process / FTBFS / FTI to happen.
In the ideal case, orphanings are reported on devel list and co-maintainers are
contacted directly, but that almost never happens. (Anecdata: I've even seen Red
Hat associates who maintain package X in RHEL to silently orphan it in Fedora
without even being subscribed to devel.)
That's why the co-maintainers are listed in this report and they are Bcced, so
they get notified about the situation. As far as process goes, I think that
works nicely.
Anyway, gnome-desktop has reason for being orphaned actually listed in pagure:
"Unmaintained upstream -- Nothing currently maintained should use this anymore.
A lot of people file general GNOME bugs on this component, thinking it's some
catch-all, so a lot of time is spent reassigning bugs to gnome-shell etc."
And if they are not
interested in, why they are still listed as co-maintainers?
There are many possibilities:
1. They don't ever read Fedora email.
2. They are gone from Fedora but nobody non-responsive-removed them yet.
3. They are interested in co-maintaining only,
rather letting the package to be retired than taking the responsibility
of being the primary contact person for it.
4. They are co-maintainers only for other branches (EPEL or older Fedora)
(I even sometimes orphan a package and add myself as co-maintainer so I can
solve the problems in released Fedoras until they all go EOL,
see for example the case of cura-lulzbot: @spot orphaned it, announced it,
but he remains a co-maintainer which is completely fine --
users will report bugs for Fedora 32/33/34).
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