On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 13:57 +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Check this out from back in the day: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Logo-history-variations.jpg > > > > Under that scheme, it was obvious that we did a number of different > > things, all of them "Fedora". > > But those things have one thing in common, they are all gone (except > the > project): Core and Extras have merged, Legacy has been discontinued, > the > Foundation has never materialized. > > > The merger with Extras and creation of a real community project was > > essential to our ongoing success, but it also introduced a > > community / > > output confusion. > > All that is left from the above is the Fedora Project that produces > Fedora. > I do not see a big confusion there. Every community-developed product > is > produced by a project community. > > And other attempts at resolving this alleged "community / output > confusion" > in Free Software communities have only led to more naming chaos, not > less, > see, e.g., the KDE rebranding fiasco. (There are about 99500 search > engine > hits for "KDE 5", a phrase that officially does not exist due to the > rebranding from "KDE 4" to "(KDE) Plasma 4" in the 4.x era.) > > In most cases, it is obvious whether Fedora, the GNU/Linux > distribution, or > Fedora, the community that develops it, are meant. When not, it can > be > easily clarified as Fedora GNU/Linux vs. the Fedora Project in the > specific > context. > > > This has gotten worse in recent years as we introduce new and > > different > > things, leading to things like people saying "Oh, that's in CoreOS, > > not > > Fedora", where the shorthand is more confusing than helpful. > > And I think it makes sense to say that: CoreOS is a very different > operating > system from Fedora as we know it (even if they share the GNU/Linux > base) and > so should (continue to) have a completely different brand, not > Fedora. > > > > 2. Why Linux and not GNU/Linux? Linux is just a kernel. GNU/Linux > > > is an > > > OS. > > > > Fedora Linux is an OS. Although GNU project utilities are indeed > > essential, Fedora Linux consists of more than those plus Linux, and > > the > > contributions of many of those other projects is equally essential. > > But the Linux kernel is just a small part of the operating system, > and not > even the characterizing part: Android also uses the Linux kernel, and > it is > a completely different operating system! > > > Additonally: > > > > * We are not part of GNU, and in fact listed by them as > > specifically not > > endorsed because we have policy disagreements. > > Fedora is not "part of Linux" either. The easiest way to avoid any > such > confusion is to just call it Fedora. Or if you want to separate the project and the product, avoid the Linux and GNU additions and use something more generic: Fedora OS vs Fedora project? Louis L _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
