On 13/02/2021 18:51, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 at 05:15, Daniel Pocock <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:daniel@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > > > On 13/02/2021 09:11, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > Dnia Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:16:26PM +0100, Daniel Pocock napisał(a): > >> > >> > >> On 12/02/2021 21:19, Justin Forbes wrote: > >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:21 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Power4kPageSize > >>>> > >>>> == Summary == > >>>> > >>>> On ppc64le, the kernel is currently compiled for 64k page size. > >>>> > >>>> This change proposes using the more common 4k page size. > >>>> > >>>> Some things, like the AMD Radeon GPU drivers, firmware or related > >>>> code, appear to be completely non-functional on the 64k page size. > >>>> Insufficient upstream developers are testing such issues on this > >>>> architecture. > >>> > >>> Just as there are many things that expect the 64K page size. I > am not > >>> doing this. > >>> > >>> Justin > >> > >> Can you please identify some of the things that expect 64k? > >> > >> If the GPU drivers don't work that makes it a complete > non-starter for > >> many workstation users, or they have to compile their own kernels or > >> obtain custom kernels from another user. > > > > Or just fix the GPU drivers. They're open source, after all. > > The GPUs also have firmware blobs > > > OK I think we need to back up a whole bunch here and talk directly about > what is wanted and going on. I am going to try an outline what I have > picked up from months of this back and forth: > > 1. There is some sort of PowerPC workstation which is going 'to market' > somewhere soon. The workstations and motherboards are already available from Raptor: https://www.raptorcs.com/ Vikings is about to start shipping a European version: https://store.vikings.net/openpower Many people already bought the Blackbird kits in the first production run. > 2. It will have high powered video cards of a PC style so will be using > the same 'firmware' that would be in x86_64. > 3. Those drivers expect x86_64 4k buffer sizes. This is a moving target, new GPUs arrive each year. It is like whack-a-mole, by the time people have it fixed with one model, the next model is available. > 4. Daniel would like to have Fedora Linux as an option or the operating > system on it. I've been compiling kernels since the early days so I can work around this in my personal situation. I would like other Fedora users to have the best possible experience and as easily as possible. I'll let other people answer your questions below... > 5. They have been trying to work out through various tickets how to make > this happen. > > Please correct the items above if needed. The questions that I don't see > having been asked is: > 1. Is Fedora interested in being offered on this hardware? > 2. If it is, what changes is it willing to make it happen. > 3. Are there other people interested in helping make this happen outside > of Daniel > > If those have been asked and answered, I apologize for not finding > things. However this seems to be having someone throw 'softballs' at an > iceberg in motion with the hopes that it will change course. It would be > better if we answered somewhere on those 3 questions: > 'Yes, and here is someone who can help you' or 'No we aren't interested > in this' > 'Yes but we need to work out ways to deal with our expected delvirables > and here are the people who can help out' or 'No we can not make these > changes because it affects our expected deliverables' > 'Yes we are all buying these XYZ systems' or 'No most of us want this to > work on our IBM Power 9 boxes with some other workload'. > > > > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
