Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:08:08PM +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> There's quite a lot wrong here - a video meeting(!) to discuss
> dropping a commonly used and well established channel of
> communication.  Well, I guess at least you didn't decide to use the
> proprietary awfulness of Slack.
> 
> Couldn't you just talk about this on email?

We can do that too; Neal just suggested a video call as way to get
interested parties together.

And, yeah, I'm also not interested in slack.

> What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon
> chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC?

There are a number of things:

* We know IRC is a barrier for new users. Any onboarding which has to
  include explaining what NickServ is is starting underwater -- and that's
  just the start of it!

* IRC doesn't have persistence. People want that. Setting up ZNC is another
  barrier.

* Being able to add reactions, send images, and edit typos are not
  essential, but really quite nice.

* It's not all that uncomming; Mozilla, GNOME, and openSUSE have also moved
  to Matrix.

* Since you mentioned Slack: let's get behind an open source alternative
  before it's too late.

* Matrix has reasonably decent bridging to IRC, which will make migration
  easy (and if you don't want to migrate ever, that will remain an option).

... and probably others.

-- 
Matthew Miller
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Fedora Project Leader
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