Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove make from BuildRoot (System-Wide Change)

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:44 PM Robbie Harwood <rharwood@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >
> > The spec file updates will be automated and changes will be pushed
> > directly to dist-git once they are ready.
>
> -1.  I think you should use pull requests for this, and continue to
> believe that mass-pushing changes to dist-git is an abuse of
> provenpackager.
>

While the individuals actively participating in this
discussion are likely willing to deal with any changes
as approved, and some wish to do it themselves in
advance rather than having a bulk change applied
to the packages they shepard, it is my belief that
there are a lot of packagers that will welcome
someone else doing the changes for them,
especially when they have many packages, or are
only an occasional packager that does not fully grok
all the packaging infrastructure/artifacts and may
not always pay close attention to these change
proposals, and could easily be surprised if their
package FTBFS at the next (mass) rebuild due to
one of these types of changes.

I don't know how to measure the "silent" majorities
of packagers opinions/preferences that such
change proposals should default to, but I certainly
believe we should do what is preferred and
easiest for the majority (and not for specific
people), especially when the change impacts
around a third of the packages out there.

My gut tells me that automatically adding in the
BR make to the package source, if not already
there (giving those that wish to make the change
themselves an opportunity to add it now) is going
to be the best for the most, but I have no
actual data to support that conclusion.

And, for what it is worth, recent changes that
impacted lots of packages (for F33, the cmake
macro changes) resulted in updates by the change
owners to packages so that the packagers could,
should they choose, mostly ignore the change
proposal and focus on other things.
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