Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM Neal Becker <ndbecker2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older kde settings are messing things up.

That's definitely possible... However this is a single-user machine
and I don't really feel like creating a new user :)

If I find some time I'll try it on my other laptop and/or dig deeper...

>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:24 AM Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma
>> >
>> > == Summary ==
>> > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the
>> > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one.
>> >
>> > == Owner ==
>> > * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]], [[User:Rdieter|Rex Dieter]],
>> > [[User:Jgrulich|Jan Grulich]]
>> > * Email: ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx, rdieter@xxxxxxxxx, jgrulich@xxxxxxxxxx
>> > * Product: KDE Spin
>> > * Responsible WG: KDE SIG
>> >
>> >
>> > == Detailed Description ==
>> >
>> > With KDE Plasma 5.20, the KDE Plasma desktop environment has reached a
>> > point where nearly all commonly used features in the desktop and all
>> > major applications function in the Plasma Wayland environment on all
>> > major GPUs (including NVIDIA with the proprietary driver). Starting
>> > with Plasma 5.20 in Fedora 34, we will change the default
>> > configuration for Wayland and X11 Plasma sessions so that Wayland is
>> > preferred and used by default, while permitting the X11 session to be
>> > selected as the alternative desktop environment option.
>> >
>> > == Feedback ==
>> >
>> > ==== Is Wayland ready? ====
>> > Wayland has been used by default for Fedora Workstation (which uses
>> > GNOME) since Fedora 25. And while it was somewhat immature initially,
>> > today it is a very rock-solid experience on virtually everything
>> > Fedora Workstation runs on. The change in Fedora 25 kickstarted the
>> > drive to get everything working on Wayland, and the Workstation team
>> > succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Firefox has been Wayland-native
>> > by default since Fedora 31 as well.
>> >
>> > On the KDE side, serious work into supporting Wayland started shortly
>> > after GNOME switched to Wayland by default. Unlike GNOME, KDE has a
>> > much broader stack in its toolkit, and it has taken longer to get to a
>> > usable state. With the Plasma 5.20 release, the Wayland protocol for
>> > screencasting as well as middle-click paste finally are supported,
>> > completing the required feature set for switching to Wayland by
>> > default.
>>
>> So yesterday I tried to log in to the KDE Plasma + Wayland session on
>> my laptop (F32) and the experience was unfortunately quite horrible...
>>
>> 1. When I logged out of the X session, switched to Wayland on the
>> login screen, and logged in, I only got a black screen. After I
>> rebooted, I managed to login to the Wayland session (I have automatic
>> login after boot enabled), but...
>> 2. The desktop was all squeezed into a small 1024x786 rectangle in the
>> upper left corner of the screen (my screen is 1920x1080). So I opened
>> system settings to change the resolution, but...
>> 3. The screen settings were showing "manufacturer_TODO" and
>> "model_TODO" as the name of the screen and the only resolution offered
>> was 1024x786.
>> 4. The window layout of my KDE session was not preserved (I think even
>> the distribution of windows to activities was lost). But I probably
>> shouldn't expect this to work...
>> 5. Logging out of the Wayland session gave me just a black screen with
>> blinking cursor, no login screen.
>>
>> Reading the other posts in this thread it seems I'm the only one
>> experiencing such serious breakage (maybe except 4., which is
>> understandable), so I'm wondering if I did something wrong... I simply
>> installed plasma-workspace-wayland, logged out, and then logged in
>> selecting "Plasma (Wayland) (Wayland)" from the session dropdown.
>>
>> --
>> Ondrej Mosnacek
>> Software Engineer, Platform Security - SELinux kernel
>> Red Hat, Inc.
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Software Engineer, Platform Security - SELinux kernel
Red Hat, Inc.
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