On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:34 AM Roberto Ragusa <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 2020-09-01 08:52, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Monday, August 31, 2020 8:32:49 AM MST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > >> On 31.08.2020 17:07, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > >> > >>> ship a release with "fallback" to Google and Cloudflare DNS? > >> > >> > >> Big Brother will be happy. :-) > > > > Sure, those two companies will be thrilled, I'm sure. This is a huge > > disservice to our users. Why in the world does systemd try to force DNS > > servers when none are configured? If no DNS servers are configured, there > > should be no DNS servers in use. > > Standard DNS has a hierarchical structure with roots and delegation. > The idea of asking somebody to do DNS resolution for you comes from the widespread > tendency to centralize everything (i.e. inability to understand how the Internet was > originally designed). Hiding it inside yet another systemd structure without following the existing standards is, sadly, typical of systemd. It also puts at risk restricted environments where providing no DNS is deliberately used to restrict outbound network use, such as virtual machines or chroot cages without an enabled /etc/resolv.conf. That includes the "mock" build environment where "pip install" is kept network disabled by the lack of DNS. It will also completely screw up VPN setups where out-of-band DNS servers break internal versus external service access management. > Insisting on using a DNS server for name resolution is like insisting on using a proxy > for HTTP access. It's secretly cooking the fries in bacon grease. It not only offends people such as vegetarians, Muslims, and Jews but it creates an unnecessary health risk for people with the "Alpha-Gal" meat allergy. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
