On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:31 PM Chris Adams <linux@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Once upon a time, Ben Cotton <bcotton@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > > For laptop and workstation installs of Fedora, we want to provide file > > system features to users in a transparent fashion. We want to add new > > features, while reducing the amount of expertise needed to deal with > > situations like [https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/152 > > running out of disk space.] Btrfs is well adapted to this role by > > design philosophy, let's make it the default. > > So... I freely admit I have not looked closely at btrfs in some time, so > I could be out of date (and my apologies if so). One issue that I have > seen mentioned as an issue within the last week is still the problem of > running out of space when it still looks like there's space free. I > didn't read the responses, so not sure of the resolution, but I remember > that being a "thing" with btrfs. Is that still the case? What are the > causes, and if so, how can we keep from getting a lot of the same > question on mailing lists/forums/etc.? > Josef gave a fairly detailed answer upthread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/F5FYHGND4DHLN5R5ZIT2DF3VYI6TIAUR/ However, I'll give some of my own color on this, as well. I have not personally experienced this issue on any of my systems in the past three years. I experienced it a couple of times when I first started out using it in 2014~2015, but it's not been a problem for me since. We could stand to have some improved documentation here, and I hope this is something we can build up to support our user community. I'm sure there's some documentation from our friends at openSUSE that we can borrow as well. > I'm pretty neutral on this... I run a bunch of RHEL/CentOS systems, so I > tend to stick close to that on my Fedora systems (so I'd probably stick > with ext4/xfs on LVM myself). I remember when btrfs was going to be the > one FS to rule them all, but then had issues, and specific weird cases > (like with VM images IIRC at one point), and kind of fell of my map > then. That is not intended as a criticism - filesystems are complex, > and developing them hard... I think some of the reputation came from > some people pushing btrfs before it was really ready. > I absolutely agree. I've often wondered if Btrfs would have a better reputation if it was developed for a few years behind closed doors before being unveiled. I think the way people perceive the filesysetm would be very different then. Thankfully, I think today we're in a very good place with Btrfs upstream, and having Josef (an upstream Btrfs developer) helping drive this in Fedora makes me very confident in this change. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
