Hi Neal, On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 12:44 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:10 PM <erich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There > > are > > multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be > > beneficial > > to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way to > > be > > helping improve the situation in GNOME that exist as the biggest > > objections from the community of musicians and Linux audio > > enthusiasts > > in the overall community. > > > > The biggest objections are resource usage, since the more resources > > that are in use, the more it tends to interfere with real-time > > audio > > processes, causing buffer overruns and/or underruns. These overruns > > and > > underruns are known as Xruns. The fewer Xruns, the better, as Xruns > > cause pops during recording. When doing real-time audio work, you > > want > > to have as low of latency as possible which requires as small of a > > buffer as possible. The goal is to have a small buffer to get > > minimal > > latency while avoiding Xruns. > > > > Unfortunately, GNOME has, since 3.0, traditionally interfered with > > these processes and caused Xruns. My goal, by moving Fedora Jam > > from > > Plasma to GNOME, is to help GNOME improve this situation. > > > > I would personally be very sad if Fedora Jam switched from KDE to > GNOME. To me, KDE has always been the home for creatives, and it > shows > with the excellent Qt/KDE based software for auditory and visual > creativity. From my perspective, KDE is the environment that creative > people can feel at home in. This is exactly the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Thank you! > > The other reason for switching away from Plasma is the overall > > negative > > attitude I see from Fedora KDE users and former Fedora KDE > > contributors. It seems to be an attitude against the progress of > > improving the Linux desktop for the better, and simply complaining. > > I > > know some of this attitude comes from Red Hat dropping KDE from > > being a > > desktop in REHL, among other changes. That attitude is regressive, > > and > > does nothing to help the community if all you do is complain. I > > could > > name names, but for the sake of the "Friends" foundation, I will > > not. > > > > As a Fedora KDE user, I hope I'm not lumped in that bucket. :) > > While I am *deeply* disappointed at Red Hat for removing KDE from > RHEL, that is mostly because people seem to think KDE is no good > because Red Hat dropped it rather than it being due to lack of > engineers to support it. > > However, one thing I have been very disappointed about is the > attitude > of some folks who are not actively involved or contributing to Fedora > KDE disparaging virtually everyone else and the work they do. In > general, it's very much against our tenants, our expectation of being > excellent to each other, and our philosophy as a community. > > As a member of many major groups in Fedora, including the KDE SIG, I > do not personally tolerate such disparagement. If there is a > technical > foundation for disagreement, then there's something to discuss, but > personally attacking people is never okay. If I have the ability to > do > something about it, I will. > Always good to read you. :) You are definitely not in that bucket. I see your contributions as nothing but productive and constructive. > > Anyhow, I'd love to see a discussion about this as well as any > > guidance > > toward making this change. I know there would have to be a new > > kickstart along with Koji pointing toward said kickstart. I could > > make > > the kickstart, but I think I'd need Koji to look for it. > > > > The mechanics of making such a change are fairly straightforward: > change the fedora-jam KS to switch from the KDE base to the GNOME > base > in the fedora-kickstarts repository: > https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/blob/master/f/fedora-live-jam_kde.ks > > You'll need to re-rationalize your customizations on top of that, but > it's doable. The kickstart is definitely what I would be working in, and the customizations in there are pretty minimal as you can see. That said, this whole thing isn't set-in-stone, I just wanted to probe the community to see what people thought. :) -Erich _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
