Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Network Time Security

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Brandon Nielsen wrote:
> If the DNS servers provided by DHCP are trusted, why 
> would any plain NTP servers also provided by DHCP not be trusted? I can 
> do nefarious things with either.

For DNS the solution is to not trust the DHCP-provided resolvers but
validate DNSsec locally. A valid chain of DNSsec signatures tells you
that the DNS record is authentic regardless of what servers it passed
through on its way to you. Then you can use a DHCP-provided resolver
without trusting it because the only nefarious thing it can do is to
refuse to resolve a name for you, which just makes it a broken resolver.

A similar approach for NTP would be if the stratum-1 servers would sign
timestamps that secondary servers would cache and forward to clients,
but caching timestamps doesn't work because the nature of a clock is
that the time changes all the time. Thus I don't see how you can get out
of trusting the NTP servers you use.

Fedora's defaults should be chosen to keep users reasonably secure every
way we can. If you as a sysadmin trust the DHCP server and every other
device on the local network – including any device that may be connected
in the future – then you should have the option to configure the system
to trust DHCP-provided NTP and DNS servers.

Björn Persson

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