Le jeudi 16 janvier 2020 à 22:24 -0500, Neal Gompa a écrit : Hi Neal, > I've also said that I don't think we can handle it as our > infrastructure currently stands. Our build system tooling has > suffered from a decade of neglect, and attempts to reinvent or > improve that have been rebuffed or failed in other ways. … > there's an underlying general problem that it is okay to > hobble along because we've hobbled along for so long. I agree 100%, thanks for posting this, it’s not easy be the messenger for bad news. > Incrementalism has its place, but this is something where once we > implement the "just enough increment", we'll stop again and > everything will just be uncomfortable and somewhat unhelpful, And here I disagree. Beware of the “let’s rewrite everything better” trap. If anything our incremental fixes failed more often than not because key players waited on big bang magical solutions (for example, modularity). We need to implement more incremental fixes. Incremental does not mean risk free, it means *managed* risk. Project members need to accept incremental changes need to go in, and they need to accept incremental changes may break things or require some amount of project-wide work. And, the Fedora leadership needs to do its leadership job. Leadership does not mean promoting fuzzy long term objectives that no one can disagree on because of the fuzziness, and that will explode on someone else’s turn. Leadership means decisions for today, not just tomorrow. Big bang initiatives have their places, but only when incrementalism has hit a technical impasse. The Boeing 737 is an example where incrementalism hit its limits. But, the 70 years of some 737 components show how long incrementalism can be successful, as long as it it managed intelligently. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
