Re: RFC: Python minimization in Fedora

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On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 10:27 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 15. 01. 20 23:11, Victor Stinner wrote:
> > > Solution 4: ZIP the entire standard library
> > > (...)
> > > Nevertheless, this might (in theory) **save 17.8 MiB / 47 %**.
> > 
> > It's my favorite option. Almost 50% smaller is quite good! It would
> > be
> > very efficient to have such disk space gain!
> > 
> > Using a ZIP file for the stdlib is commonly suggested solution when
> > the slow Python startup time is discussed. Python does tons of
> > system
> > calls to load stdlib modules at startup: many stat() and open()
> > calls.
> > Having a single large ZIP file allows to do more work in pure
> > userland.
> > 
> > This solution is well supported by unmodified Python: it's part of
> > the
> > default sys.path search path:
> > 
> > $ python3
> > Python 3.7.6 (default, Dec 19 2019, 22:52:49)
> > > > > import sys; sys.path
> > ['', '/usr/lib64/python37.zip', ...]
> > 
> > It's the second item of sys.path ;-)
> 
> It is, yet modules in the standard library still do read files next
> to __file__ 
> and will blow up when zipped. That makes me believe we can put some
> modules into 
> /usr/lib64/python38.zip, but not the entire unmodified stdlib at this
> moment. We 
> can certainly work towards this goal if we get somebody to drive it.
> 
> > I'm ok to discourage users to override *system files* by modifying
> > them as root. It's too easy to mess up your system this way.
> 
> Discouraging users is hard. We discourage users to use sudo pip and
> yet **you** 
> still do it Victor :D
> 
> > It is easy to extract the ZIP file in your home directory, hack
> > some
> > files and use PYTHONPATH environment variable to force loading your
> > modified stdlib.
> > 
> > * faster startup
> > * less disk space
> > * harder to mess up your system
> > 
> > Where are drawbacks by the way? ;-)
> 
> Behind the corner.

If a traceback for an exception includes files from the .zip, can the
traceback-printing machinery still print the pertinent lines of source?


Dave
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