On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 7:24 PM Silvia Sánchez <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hello Harsh, > > Turned out you're right, Pantheon is written from scratch as it is explained in this link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pantheon > No, your information wasn't wrong, I was confused. Sorry about that. Hi, sole maintainer of the elementary / Pantheon packages speaking. Sorry for the late response. It looks like I need to clear up some misconceptions here. Pantheon is not really implemented "from scratch" (even if that sounds nice for their marketing purposes). The Pantheon desktop environment uses a lot of components that are provided by GNOME: - The session management is handled by gnome-session (see /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/pantheon.desktop), - it relies on gnome-settings-daemon for handling all sorts of stuff, just like GNOME, and - it also uses gnome services for login keyring handling (seahorse). The fact that it heavily relies on gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon is the source of a lot of my headaches, since it tends to change and break things with every release of GNOME (and hence, fedora). Additionally, the window manager used in Pantheon ("gala") is implemented on top (lib)mutter, just like gnome-shell. This is the second source of my headaches with maintaining Pantheon for fedora, since gala is not compatible with mutter versions >= 3.30, which is the reason why I have to keep maintaining a compatibility package of mutter 3.28. Regarding the question about the DM, the upstream recommendation is to use LightDM, where elementary also provides a custom login greeter. But since Pantheon can work on top of any DM, I didn't want to introduce a hard dependency on any of them. This might be "solved" if there was a dedicated Pantheon spin of fedora (with LightDM and Pantheon preinstalled), but I don't have the time to maintain such a thing. For the time being, use Pantheon with the DM of your choice (LightDM with elementary-greeter is recommended, but GDM works too). I've been working with the guys from the elementary project to make Pantheon better suited for use on non-elementaryOS distros, and it's already a lot better than it was when I started packaging Pantheon for fedora. But there are still a lot of things that could be better. These "Distro-agnostic Pantheon" issues are tracked in this upstream project: https://github.com/orgs/elementary/projects/46 Fabio > Kind regards, > Silvia > FAS: Lailah > > > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 20:04, Harsh Jain <harshjain075@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hey ,thanks for the reply . >> About the dm , pantheon should use lightdm and as you said it probably isn't marked to be installed or if it is , it isn't configured properly . >> I have not tried to start a graphical session form tty though I can login just fine . >> On the topic of gnome , i thought pantheon was written from scratch in vala . Is that not the case? Or maybe is a custom gnome shell being used insted of the standard pantheon de ? Anyone who can help with this ? >> I'm sorry if any othe info is wrong , I'm pretty new to the pantheon de myself . >> Thanks , >> Harsh . >> >> >> >> "To climb a steep mountain , use trampolines " >> >> On Mon, 13 Jan, 2020, 18:21 Silvia Sánchez, <bhkohane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Pantheon relies heavily on Gnome, so installing Gnome Session in a Pantheon desktop makes sense. About the DM, not sure. LightDM is not Pantheon DM, because Pantheon doesn't have a DM of its own AFAIK. I'm guessing, because I don't use Pantheon, that what happens is that when Pantheon is marked to install there is no DM marked to be installed with it, and hence the problem when you delete everything else. >>> Now a question: you get a TTY. Can you login via TTY and start a graphic session? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Silvia >>> FAS: Lailah >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 12:53, Harsh Jain <harshjain075@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> Whenever I install pantheon using the terminal , a gnome session is always installed with it . >>>> Also pantheon doesn't install lightdm properly because if i remove all other de's and then install pantheon i only get started in a tty and have no way to access it .I would like to help solve these problems if they are general , can anyone tell me where to start ? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >>>> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>>> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >>> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
