Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

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On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:33:06 AM MST Kamil Paral wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:23 AM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> wrote:
> > > We have 2 release-blocking media, so the total time is somewhere between
> > > 2-3 hours (likely closer to 2 hours, because netinst installation is way
> > > faster due to downloading packages from the net instead of copying them
> > > from the disc). That's not the main problem, though. The main problem is
> > > that during that time, one or two of our test machines in our office is
> > > fully occupied with spinning the discs, and we can't use it for anything
> > > else. That means all other bare-metal testing needs to wait. As Adam
> > > already pointed out, sometimes we need to check the final candidate
> > > composes in a single day, i.e. in the standard 8 working hours (and yes,
> > 
> > we
> > 
> > > often work overtime in these cases). Blocking half of our bare-metal
> > 
> > office
> > 
> > > test machines for 2 hours out of 8 is not a small deal.
> > 
> > Do you need more test hardware? Honestly, that's what this sounds like.
> 
> Not really. Our office cubicle is unfortunately not inflatable. We have 2-3
> dedicated bare-metal test machines available during the test cycle, and we
> can't really fit any more.
> 
> > > It's simple to say "no user interaction is required", but that's not
> > > completely true either. If you want to do the QA job properly, you need
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > have an eye on the media consistency check, because we've had issues in
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > past where it timed out and either considered it a pass or fail (both
> > > are
> > > incorrect). So you can't simply walk away and come back and consider it
> > 
> > OK
> > 
> > > when it reached the installer, you really need to watch the progress in
> > > certain critical points. Once the UI is ready, it is much slower than
> > 
> > when
> > 
> > > booting from USB. So you often spend 10, 20 seconds staring at the
> > > screen
> > > until it decides to do something.
> > 
> > Is that due to the hardware under test, or is it a result of scratched
> > media?
> 
> Due to the fact that optical media are just glacially slow. I don't know if
> you have ever tried Workstation Live from a fast USB3 media, but the
> difference is night and day.

Optical media is not *that* slow though. There's certainly a difference, but 
optical isn't so slow that you have to stare at a blank screen while it loads.

-- 
John M. Harris, Jr.
Splentity

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