On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:48 PM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sunday, December 15, 2019 5:13:22 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > I spent about 15 minutes on this and found exactly zero systems with > > DVD drives, even as an option, on the Apple and Microsoft stores. None > > for System76. And none for HP. I did find DVD drives a custom build > > option on Dell's website. But even if there are some ways to dig > > around for systems with optical drives, it's not at all persuasive > > that it's common or typical or standard on prebuilt systems. > > What were you looking at? I don't know about Apple, nor how that's relevant, > since installing a new OS on those systems invalidates the hardware warranty, a. It's relevant because Fedora has explicit support for Macs in the installer; and a Mac specific release criterion. b. The warranty claim is incorrect. > and I didn't even know Microsoft sold hardware. As for System76, I recently > purchased a laptop from them, their Darter Pro. It even has an option, when > buying the device, to include an external optical drive, because they > understand it's a feature that many people still rely on. Yes. It is an option, not standard. > > Dell Precision 5280 $1629, six hard drive bays, optical drive not > > included, but is available as an option. Windows optical media is not > > included. But there is a single option to get it, on USB. It's not an > > option to get it on a DVD. > > > > But you're saying it's standard way to install any system. Gotcha. > > It has been the standard method of installing an OS since the mid 2000s, and > was popularized long before that. It is still the standard method of > installing Fedora. Your information is outdated. Apple and Microsoft haven't offered optical media included in the box for years. For a long time now Windows 10 OEM's offer a tool to create USB install software from a recovery image on the drive. Not optical media. Fedora testing can't get more than a couple people to test the optical release criterion. These days it's typically Adam or Kamil digging into a supply of DVDs they keep around exclusively for this test, having no purpose for them otherwise. Overwhelmingly QA testers and feedback is based on USB stick installations. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
