Re: Modularity and all the things

Vít Ondruch <vondruch@xxxxxxxxxx> · Fri, 25 Oct 2019 18:49:40 +0200



    Dne 24. 10. 19 v 14:09 Stephen
      Gallagher napsal(a):

    
          On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 4:45
            AM Lukas Ruzicka <lruzicka@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

          
                  Are you proposing to _do_ those things, or proposing
                  that someone else

                  oughta?

                
                This is an unfair statement! 

                
                I thought Fedora is a community of people. In the
                  community, we have
                programmers, visionaries, idealists, testers,
                  graphics ... and we also have users, that only know
                if they like or dislike something, if the want or
                  don'ŧ want to use the product somehow. Not everybody 

                
                is a good programmer or a software designer, so
                  they cannot go and make it betterby themselves, 

                
                but they can still give valid ideas. And it may be
                  good to hear their voice, because they may have
                good ideas, too. 
              
            
          There's a very large difference between feedback like "I
            think the user experience is suboptimal here, for this
            reason" and "I don't like the entire design, you should
            scrap it and start over".
          

          In the first case, it's possible to incorporate that into
            an existing project if the benefits justify the investment.
            In the latter case, it requires a *substantial* reinvestment
            in work while simultaneously demoralizing and disrespecting
            the people who have been working on it. It's a fundamental
            difference between constructive and destructive criticism.
          

          By all means, if there are user experience problems,
            highlight those. Just don't draw the conclusion that the
            whole system is unsalvageable. Let the team that's working
            on it figure out if there's a way to fix the UX or if it
            truly does mean that a structural flaw exists in the design.
            The Modularity Team is reading these threads and is keeping
            notes on all of the legitimate issues raised. As of right
            now, we don't feel that the situation is unrecoverable.
          

          Please keep your suggestions constructive. Tell us where
            we are falling short. We are listening. We're just not ready
            to throw away years of work because it isn't perfect yet. If
            we did that every time, we'd never get anywhere. We wouldn't
            have taken projects like systemd, KDE 4, NetworkManager, and
            GNOME 3 from their rocky starts to where they are now. All
            of those examples were hard-fought changes that brought
            considerable instability to Fedora when they initially
            landed and now are cornerstones of the Fedora story.
        
      
    Sometimes it would be enough if default recommendations were
      reconsidered. One of my suggestions [1] is waiting to be accepted
      since mid of April. I am not sure if modularity team really
      listen.

    
    Vít

    
    [1] https://pagure.io/modularity/issue/142
  

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