IMHO surprisingly many. Just in my family there may be as many as 10 of them. They just never go to the Fedora mailing lists to represent themselves. And when you have a range of users from newbies to experts, you don't really design desktop software the way only the experts can deal with. Jiri Dan Book píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 09:13 -0400: > I guess it should not be surprising, Gnome has made it clear for many > years now their only target audience is infants and grandmothers. How > many of these users do you think Fedora really has? > > -Dan > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 9:12 AM Igor Gnatenko < > ignatenkobrain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Red Hat is written as two separate words. So you can put some work > > into learning that :) > > > > Anyhow, why does user need to learn what port is? Can you imagine > > your > > grandma / grandfather learning how to open some port on the > > firewall? > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 3:05 PM Dan Book <grinnz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 8:10 AM <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris < > > johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> > > >> No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead > > and address the idea that "if the firewall blocks it, the app > > breaks, so it's the firewall's fault": It's not. If the firewall > > has not been opened, that just means it can't be accessed by remote > > systems until you EXPLICITLY open that port, with the correct > > protocol, on your firewall. That's FINE. That's how it's designed > > to work. There's nothing wrong with that. This means that the > > system administrator (or owner, if this is some individual's > > personal system) must allow the port to be accessed remotely, > > before the app can be reached remotely, increasing the security of > > the system. > > >> > > >> > > >> You've already lost me here. Sorry, but we do not and will not > > install a firewall GUI that exposes complex technical details like > > port numbers. Expecting users to edit firewall rules to use their > > apps is ridiculous and I'm not really interested in debating it. > > >> > > >> If the user is capable of editing firewall rules and wants to do > > so, that user can surely also change the policy to not open all > > these ports. Yes? > > > > > > > > > That Gnome is intentionally sabotaging users and thinks they are > > too stupid to understand a port number associated with a service is > > just another example why I wish that Fedora and Redhat would put > > work into alternative desktops. > > > > > > -Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > List Guidelines: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
