Hi,
On 18-08-19 15:25, Gordan Bobic wrote:
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 2:06 PM Hans de Goede <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi,
On 18-08-19 13:33, Gordan Bobic wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:36 AM <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org <http://gnome.org> <http://gnome.org/>> wrote:
> > This seems like a distraction from the real goal here, which is to
> > ensure Fedora remains responsive under heavy memory pressure,
>
> I think this is an overwhelmingly important point, and as somebody regularly working with ARM machines with tiny amounts of RAM, it is of considerable interest to me.
> I typically use CentOS because stability is important to me, but most worthwhile things filter to there, so I hope what I'm about to say is not _too_ deprecated.
>
> 1) Compile options
> From what I can tell from rpm macro options, default on C7 seems to be -O2. -Os seems to help in most cases.
I don't think it is likely that Fedora will switch to -Os
It is not my place to argue about whether it will. The thread was asking for things that might contribute toward alleviating the memory pressure problem. This can make a fairly dramatic difference and it would contribute toward alleviating the problem because smaller binaries mean less to mmap().
> Adding -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections to defaults can help considerably in producing smaller binaries, and is not the default.
> Linking with -Wl,--gc-sections helps a lot and is not the default
These OTOH are interesting I know that e.g. uboot combines these and it helps a lot to get smaller binaries,
and this should help with RAM size too, since if a page of a binary contains mostly unused things and 1 symbol
which is actually used it will still get paged in.
Can you perhaps start a new devel list thread about just this ? Maybe with some binary size numbers for
some apps / libs build with and without these options?
It's pretty well documented in various articles, e.g.:
https://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Reducing_Executable_Size
It also covers how much difference -Os can make.
Interesting, thank you for that link.
> Extensive stripping seems to already be the default (--strip-unneeded, removal of .comment and .note sections)
>
> 2) Runtime condiguration
> Default stack size is 8192 (ulimit -s). This unnecessarily eats a considerably amount of memory. I have yet to see anything that actually experiences problems with 1M.
Actually ulimit -s is the *maximum* stack size, I'm pretty sure the stack will start much smaller and
grow dynamically. So changing this is not saving any RAM and it will makes apps which do have high
stack usage crash when they hit the new lower limit.
Either way, it makes a noticeable difference to memory consumption on a very memory constrained system without any other obvious adverse effects.
Interesting unless I'm reading the manpage wrong, "ulimit -s" sets the maximum stack-size.
Maybe that also influences the initial sizing of the stack ?
Can someone who knows more about this shed some light on this? Is there a way to go with
a smaller initial stack-size without changing the maximum size?
Regards,
Hans
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